Comments on: Iconic or ironic christian communities?

By: Paul

Paul — Sat, 13 Oct 2007 08:25:49 +0000

Thanks Filip. Maybe one of the roles of the community as an icon is to help deconstruct the ideal that church is perfectly good or perfectly bad – that life is an ongoing mix of feast and famine, of the ordinary and the miraculous, of God close and God far?

By: Jonny

Jonny — Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:34:01 +0000

thanks filip,
yes of course the trinitarian aspect is of vital importance [that exscaped me as a posted that comment].
also your commenr reminded me of something i think NT Wright says – along the lines of “Jesus did on the cross what the people of God could not do for themselves.”
… still plenty to think about.
ta, Jonny

By: filip

filip — Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:29:52 +0000

Should have said “not that He didn’t ask THEM to stay awake”.

By: filip

filip — Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:28:45 +0000

In one sense there is this trinitarian community Jesus is part of. In another sens we are His body. At the same time we need to acknowledge that Jesus was one His own in the garden of Getsemane. the community was a sleep, not that He didn’t ask him to stay awake.

Just got a link in that makes this whole image dei thinking very practical: http://www.imagodeicommunity.com/information/mission/vision/

By: Jonny

Jonny — Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:11:30 +0000

interesting stuff Flip. I got me thinking: could Jesus have achiveved his mission with out a community around him? Often we can get caught into talking about Jesus and his individual mission [particuarly in tems of atonement] and seprating him from the stroy of God’s people and the community of follwers he had around him who he loved and taight to love each other.

… incomplete thoughts there…. but I occurs to me when I read “any one who has seen me has seen the Father” – I often don’t take into account Jesus’ relating to him community as part of that, but instead see it as some sort of “inner quality” [in a Platonic sense]. I wonder if i need to let my thinking be expanded there.