Comments on: “Where have all the good men gone..?” http://jasonclark.ws/feeder/?FeederAction=clicked&feed=Articles+%28RSS2%29&seed=http%3A%2F%2Fjasonclark.ws%2F2006%2F08%2F13%2Fwhere-have-all-the-good-men-gone%2F&seed_title=%26%238220%3BWhere+have+all+the+good+men%26%23160%3Bgone..%3F%26%238221%3B Trying to make safe spaces for diverse and healthy conversations about church. Sun, 20 Dec 2009 13:00:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Jason Clark » http://jasonclark.ws/feeder/?FeederAction=clicked&feed=Articles+%28RSS2%29&seed=http%3A%2F%2Fjasonclark.ws%2F2006%2F08%2F13%2Fwhere-have-all-the-good-men-gone%2F&seed_title=%26%238220%3BWhere+have+all+the+good+men%26%23160%3Bgone..%3F%26%238221%3B/comment-page-3/#comment-5845 Jason Clark » Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:31:57 +0000 http://www.jasonclark.ws/2006/08/13/where-have-all-the-good-men-gone/#comment-5845 [...] Alan Scott – Hi Paul, Our experience is that signs and wonders accompany... "Where have all the good men gone..?" [...] [...] Alan Scott – Hi Paul, Our experience is that signs and wonders accompany… “Where have all the good men gone..?” [...]

]]> By: Paul http://jasonclark.ws/feeder/?FeederAction=clicked&feed=Articles+%28RSS2%29&seed=http%3A%2F%2Fjasonclark.ws%2F2006%2F08%2F13%2Fwhere-have-all-the-good-men-gone%2F&seed_title=%26%238220%3BWhere+have+all+the+good+men%26%23160%3Bgone..%3F%26%238221%3B/comment-page-3/#comment-5828 Paul Thu, 24 Aug 2006 05:50:02 +0000 http://www.jasonclark.ws/2006/08/13/where-have-all-the-good-men-gone/#comment-5828 Jezebel spirit or a case of ahabsenteeism: is a conversation that Susan and I have been having following her comment #123 - to take part in the conversation please head over to http://paulmayers.blogs.com/my_weblog/2006/08/a_jezebel_spiri.htm Jezebel spirit or a case of ahabsenteeism: is a conversation that Susan and I have been having following her comment #123 – to take part in the conversation please head over to http://paulmayers.blogs.com/my_weblog/2006/08/a_jezebel_spiri.htm

]]> By: Makeesha http://jasonclark.ws/feeder/?FeederAction=clicked&feed=Articles+%28RSS2%29&seed=http%3A%2F%2Fjasonclark.ws%2F2006%2F08%2F13%2Fwhere-have-all-the-good-men-gone%2F&seed_title=%26%238220%3BWhere+have+all+the+good+men%26%23160%3Bgone..%3F%26%238221%3B/comment-page-3/#comment-5819 Makeesha Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:09:12 +0000 http://www.jasonclark.ws/2006/08/13/where-have-all-the-good-men-gone/#comment-5819 I'm not too keen on that phrase either, it's always kind of bugged me especially because it seems to be assigned to any woman who isn't a mouse...probably why it bugs me since I'm far from being mouse-like ;) And I am in charismatic circles so it comes up quite a bit unfortunately. It seems like that phrase is almost used in a manipulative way to keep women under control and encourage men to "take charge" of their women. GAG I’m not too keen on that phrase either, it’s always kind of bugged me especially because it seems to be assigned to any woman who isn’t a mouse…probably why it bugs me since I’m far from being mouse-like ;) And I am in charismatic circles so it comes up quite a bit unfortunately. It seems like that phrase is almost used in a manipulative way to keep women under control and encourage men to “take charge” of their women. GAG

]]> By: Paul http://jasonclark.ws/feeder/?FeederAction=clicked&feed=Articles+%28RSS2%29&seed=http%3A%2F%2Fjasonclark.ws%2F2006%2F08%2F13%2Fwhere-have-all-the-good-men-gone%2F&seed_title=%26%238220%3BWhere+have+all+the+good+men%26%23160%3Bgone..%3F%26%238221%3B/comment-page-3/#comment-5818 Paul Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:03:29 +0000 http://www.jasonclark.ws/2006/08/13/where-have-all-the-good-men-gone/#comment-5818 Jezebel may be an awesome example of the art of manipulation but i would be uncomfortable slapping a label like "a spirit of jezebel" onfeminism, afterall she let ahab be king she just knew how to yank his chain and get what she wants. Maybe we should call it a spirit of ahababsentism for not being so weak. Heck why not go all the way back and blame adam and eve :) I think feminism is a good thing in terms of promoting the equality of women and I see no reason biblical or otherwise that stops women from doing the same sorts of things as men in our western context. Jezebel may be an awesome example of the art of manipulation but i would be uncomfortable slapping a label like “a spirit of jezebel” onfeminism, afterall she let ahab be king she just knew how to yank his chain and get what she wants. Maybe we should call it a spirit of ahababsentism for not being so weak. Heck why not go all the way back and blame adam and eve :) I think feminism is a good thing in terms of promoting the equality of women and I see no reason biblical or otherwise that stops women from doing the same sorts of things as men in our western context.

]]> By: Susan http://jasonclark.ws/feeder/?FeederAction=clicked&feed=Articles+%28RSS2%29&seed=http%3A%2F%2Fjasonclark.ws%2F2006%2F08%2F13%2Fwhere-have-all-the-good-men-gone%2F&seed_title=%26%238220%3BWhere+have+all+the+good+men%26%23160%3Bgone..%3F%26%238221%3B/comment-page-3/#comment-5812 Susan Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:33:54 +0000 http://www.jasonclark.ws/2006/08/13/where-have-all-the-good-men-gone/#comment-5812 I had the interesting fortune to sit through a sermon on the the Jezabel spirit last Sunday. A humdinger that hung all the problems of feminisation of the church and likewise the world on the rise of a spirit of power to the woman because of lack of godly standing in men - a la Ahab. It has generated much discussion among me and a few friends. I would love to hear others thoughts on this one. BTW I am of the opinion that emergingblub and other people from Oz my country of origin have it right when they say church does not need to become more blokey but less churchy. And we need to keep our brains in gear not leave them behind as we enter church. I had the interesting fortune to sit through a sermon on the the Jezabel spirit last Sunday. A humdinger that hung all the problems of feminisation of the church and likewise the world on the rise of a spirit of power to the woman because of lack of godly standing in men – a la Ahab. It has generated much discussion among me and a few friends. I would love to hear others thoughts on this one.

BTW I am of the opinion that emergingblub and other people from Oz my country of origin have it right when they say church does not need to become more blokey but less churchy. And we need to keep our brains in gear not leave them behind as we enter church.

]]> By: Helen http://jasonclark.ws/feeder/?FeederAction=clicked&feed=Articles+%28RSS2%29&seed=http%3A%2F%2Fjasonclark.ws%2F2006%2F08%2F13%2Fwhere-have-all-the-good-men-gone%2F&seed_title=%26%238220%3BWhere+have+all+the+good+men%26%23160%3Bgone..%3F%26%238221%3B/comment-page-3/#comment-5768 Helen Sat, 19 Aug 2006 12:06:49 +0000 http://www.jasonclark.ws/2006/08/13/where-have-all-the-good-men-gone/#comment-5768 Thanks Paul Thanks Paul

]]> By: Paul http://jasonclark.ws/feeder/?FeederAction=clicked&feed=Articles+%28RSS2%29&seed=http%3A%2F%2Fjasonclark.ws%2F2006%2F08%2F13%2Fwhere-have-all-the-good-men-gone%2F&seed_title=%26%238220%3BWhere+have+all+the+good+men%26%23160%3Bgone..%3F%26%238221%3B/comment-page-3/#comment-5767 Paul Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:51:43 +0000 http://www.jasonclark.ws/2006/08/13/where-have-all-the-good-men-gone/#comment-5767 Hi Helen, we have to stop agreeing like this ;) but I concur, great post by Makeesha's husband/alter ego ;) Have a great vacation and thank you so much for all your thoughts, feelings and insights - I have very much appreciated them! Hi Helen, we have to stop agreeing like this ;) but I concur, great post by Makeesha’s husband/alter ego ;)

Have a great vacation and thank you so much for all your thoughts, feelings and insights – I have very much appreciated them!

]]> By: Helen http://jasonclark.ws/feeder/?FeederAction=clicked&feed=Articles+%28RSS2%29&seed=http%3A%2F%2Fjasonclark.ws%2F2006%2F08%2F13%2Fwhere-have-all-the-good-men-gone%2F&seed_title=%26%238220%3BWhere+have+all+the+good+men%26%23160%3Bgone..%3F%26%238221%3B/comment-page-3/#comment-5766 Helen Sat, 19 Aug 2006 09:51:37 +0000 http://www.jasonclark.ws/2006/08/13/where-have-all-the-good-men-gone/#comment-5766 I liked what your husband had to say too, Makeesha. (Btw - some of you may be happy to hear this ;-) - I'm going on vacation this morning and will be offline until August 28.) I liked what your husband had to say too, Makeesha.

(Btw – some of you may be happy to hear this ;-) – I’m going on vacation this morning and will be offline until August 28.)

]]> By: Journeyfiles » Blog Archive » Wo sind eigentlich die Männer hin? http://jasonclark.ws/feeder/?FeederAction=clicked&feed=Articles+%28RSS2%29&seed=http%3A%2F%2Fjasonclark.ws%2F2006%2F08%2F13%2Fwhere-have-all-the-good-men-gone%2F&seed_title=%26%238220%3BWhere+have+all+the+good+men%26%23160%3Bgone..%3F%26%238221%3B/comment-page-3/#comment-5763 Journeyfiles » Blog Archive » Wo sind eigentlich die Männer hin? Sat, 19 Aug 2006 07:17:26 +0000 http://www.jasonclark.ws/2006/08/13/where-have-all-the-good-men-gone/#comment-5763 [...] Wo sind eigentlich die Männer hin? Jason Clarke schreibt in einem Artikel darüber wo wie Männer hingegangen sind. Zur Kirche gehen sie jedenfalls nicht. In den USA bestehen Gemeinden zu 60% aus Frauen, in Europa wäre meine Schätzung ebenfalls 3:2, wie Jason das auch in seiner Gemeinde beobachtet. Warum ist das so? Schon in meiner Jugendgruppe damals und auch in der Baptistengemeinde, die ich besucht habe ist es mir aufgefallen: Weniger Männer als Frauen. Die Gründe, die Jason in seinem Post nennt sind einleuchtend, wenn auch stereotypisch: The church culture thermostat is set to feminine (Das Kulturelle Klima der Kirche ist auf “weiblich” eingestellt.) [...] [...] Wo sind eigentlich die Männer hin? Jason Clarke schreibt in einem Artikel darüber wo wie Männer hingegangen sind. Zur Kirche gehen sie jedenfalls nicht. In den USA bestehen Gemeinden zu 60% aus Frauen, in Europa wäre meine Schätzung ebenfalls 3:2, wie Jason das auch in seiner Gemeinde beobachtet. Warum ist das so? Schon in meiner Jugendgruppe damals und auch in der Baptistengemeinde, die ich besucht habe ist es mir aufgefallen: Weniger Männer als Frauen. Die Gründe, die Jason in seinem Post nennt sind einleuchtend, wenn auch stereotypisch: The church culture thermostat is set to feminine (Das Kulturelle Klima der Kirche ist auf “weiblich” eingestellt.) [...]

]]> By: Makeesha http://jasonclark.ws/feeder/?FeederAction=clicked&feed=Articles+%28RSS2%29&seed=http%3A%2F%2Fjasonclark.ws%2F2006%2F08%2F13%2Fwhere-have-all-the-good-men-gone%2F&seed_title=%26%238220%3BWhere+have+all+the+good+men%26%23160%3Bgone..%3F%26%238221%3B/comment-page-3/#comment-5760 Makeesha Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:50:41 +0000 http://www.jasonclark.ws/2006/08/13/where-have-all-the-good-men-gone/#comment-5760 since I keep talking about my husband's comments without him actually participating you might all think he's in my imagination ;) he just posted to my blog and I really like what he had to say. www.inhiscourts.blogspot.com since I keep talking about my husband’s comments without him actually participating you might all think he’s in my imagination ;) he just posted to my blog and I really like what he had to say. http://www.inhiscourts.blogspot.com

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