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	<title>Comments on: Deep Ecclessiology: What is the Emerging Church Part&#160;III</title>
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		<title>By: Jason Clark &#187; Lambeth Palace and Westminster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Clark &#187; Lambeth Palace and Westminster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 17:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 1. The inclusion of more established churches, usually seen as outside of &#8216;Emerging Church&#8217;, modelling the value of deep ecclessiolgy 2. The story of Mike Shaw from Re:Source in Bristol, of how the Baptist Union are funding Mike to help the larger baptist churches in Bristol, support the small baptist churches that are open to change and want help, to use their buildings and members for missional and community engagement. Very unglamorous but utterly missional, and captivating. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 1. The inclusion of more established churches, usually seen as outside of &#8216;Emerging Church&#8217;, modelling the value of deep ecclessiolgy 2. The story of Mike Shaw from Re:Source in Bristol, of how the Baptist Union are funding Mike to help the larger baptist churches in Bristol, support the small baptist churches that are open to change and want help, to use their buildings and members for missional and community engagement. Very unglamorous but utterly missional, and captivating. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Clark &#187; Deep Clericalism: avoiding judgmental axiomatics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Clark &#187; Deep Clericalism: avoiding judgmental axiomatics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I want to suggest that continued anti-clericalism, will not produce better leadership for our churches, old and emerging. Within the framework and values of Deep Ecclessiology and Generous Orthodoxy, a view that the Emerging Church is a context all churches are facing together, something more constructive than the axiomatic of geting rid of paid staff, is needed. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I want to suggest that continued anti-clericalism, will not produce better leadership for our churches, old and emerging. Within the framework and values of Deep Ecclessiology and Generous Orthodoxy, a view that the Emerging Church is a context all churches are facing together, something more constructive than the axiomatic of geting rid of paid staff, is needed. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may be right.  I&#039;m sure many will convert to Buddhism and other forms of anything exotic and better.  Familiarity breeds contempt.

What I have personally observed however is that through the West&#039;s fascination with all things exotic and Eastern, Buddhism, Hinduism and even Chai Tea Latte&#039;s are already almost, to a degree, passe&#039; fads.  In many ways however the Eastern relativistic mentality can strip one of their ability to think critically and to see things outside of the blury lens of moral eqivalency.  It&#039;s all good.  As such, once one has tried a strong mixed drink of far-Eastern religion and Western Narcissism, all that remains is a dark void.  The resulting vaccum that filled western society, COMBINED with the hatred du jour  (all things Christian, American and Western) leaves Islam as the best suitor to lure one away into something exotic, carnal and yet self-righteous.  Usually they start with a Christianized form of Islam.  Read: Hamza Yusuf, American Convert, sufi, moderate extroidinarre.
   http://www.zaytuna.org/video.asp

The violence comes later, after a more thorough examination of the actuals Islamic source texts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may be right.  I&#8217;m sure many will convert to Buddhism and other forms of anything exotic and better.  Familiarity breeds contempt.</p>
<p>What I have personally observed however is that through the West&#8217;s fascination with all things exotic and Eastern, Buddhism, Hinduism and even Chai Tea Latte&#8217;s are already almost, to a degree, passe&#8217; fads.  In many ways however the Eastern relativistic mentality can strip one of their ability to think critically and to see things outside of the blury lens of moral eqivalency.  It&#8217;s all good.  As such, once one has tried a strong mixed drink of far-Eastern religion and Western Narcissism, all that remains is a dark void.  The resulting vaccum that filled western society, COMBINED with the hatred du jour  (all things Christian, American and Western) leaves Islam as the best suitor to lure one away into something exotic, carnal and yet self-righteous.  Usually they start with a Christianized form of Islam.  Read: Hamza Yusuf, American Convert, sufi, moderate extroidinarre.<br />
   <a href="http://www.zaytuna.org/video.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.zaytuna.org/video.asp</a></p>
<p>The violence comes later, after a more thorough examination of the actuals Islamic source texts.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

While you and I have mostly similar predictions, I think you may not be heading far enough East in your foreseeing.  Granted, it may be personal experience that taints my analysis, but as a spiritual journeyer, I found myself much more drawn to the esoteric and meditative aspects of Buddhism than the violently dogmatic religious imperialism of Islam.  Of course, in a round planet, when one travels all the way around the world, one finds not a new place at all, but one&#039;s point of origin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>While you and I have mostly similar predictions, I think you may not be heading far enough East in your foreseeing.  Granted, it may be personal experience that taints my analysis, but as a spiritual journeyer, I found myself much more drawn to the esoteric and meditative aspects of Buddhism than the violently dogmatic religious imperialism of Islam.  Of course, in a round planet, when one travels all the way around the world, one finds not a new place at all, but one&#8217;s point of origin.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As usual, sorry for all the typos... ad naseum</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual, sorry for all the typos&#8230; ad naseum</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt,

Becasue post-modernism is in many ways a reactionary movement, I would not be surprised to eventually see a reactionary move out of Emergent as well.  Nothing new under the sun.  Some will, like yourself and myself move toward Catholicism, Orthodoxy, Epicopalianism, Anglicanism or develope a rather traditional form of evangelicalism whilst others yet will fall away into Islam.  All these offer something far more objective than the relativistic potpourri that Emergent is.  Tired of relativism ad naseum and deconstructionism, many will flee to more objective, solid and historically rooted forms of worhsip offering more complete meta-narratives to participate in.  Sadly however many who have had their ability to think critically having been inudated with the moral equivallency of the West and the East, of Islam and Christianity, having been fed too much liberal hatred for America and the West, will fall prey to the polemics and apologetics of a growing western Islamic movement.  May sound a bit far-fetched but in truth, I&#039;ve already seen this happen quite a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,</p>
<p>Becasue post-modernism is in many ways a reactionary movement, I would not be surprised to eventually see a reactionary move out of Emergent as well.  Nothing new under the sun.  Some will, like yourself and myself move toward Catholicism, Orthodoxy, Epicopalianism, Anglicanism or develope a rather traditional form of evangelicalism whilst others yet will fall away into Islam.  All these offer something far more objective than the relativistic potpourri that Emergent is.  Tired of relativism ad naseum and deconstructionism, many will flee to more objective, solid and historically rooted forms of worhsip offering more complete meta-narratives to participate in.  Sadly however many who have had their ability to think critically having been inudated with the moral equivallency of the West and the East, of Islam and Christianity, having been fed too much liberal hatred for America and the West, will fall prey to the polemics and apologetics of a growing western Islamic movement.  May sound a bit far-fetched but in truth, I&#8217;ve already seen this happen quite a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I say, I&#039;m curious as to what phenomenon will come, chronologically, after the postmodern church.  I at one point considered myself a postmodern, but then, after pushing ahead into what I saw as &lt;i&gt;post&lt;/i&gt;-postmodernism, I discovered that in doing so I had accidentally become a Catholic.  Imagine my frustration.  For me the diagram was more like a circle.  But then, as I&#039;m sure most of us can attest, faith is a difficult thing to capture on a chart.  This, of course, has never stopped me from trying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I say, I&#8217;m curious as to what phenomenon will come, chronologically, after the postmodern church.  I at one point considered myself a postmodern, but then, after pushing ahead into what I saw as <i>post</i>-postmodernism, I discovered that in doing so I had accidentally become a Catholic.  Imagine my frustration.  For me the diagram was more like a circle.  But then, as I&#8217;m sure most of us can attest, faith is a difficult thing to capture on a chart.  This, of course, has never stopped me from trying.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jun 2006 06:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt:  I think your right in many ways Matt.  It is a generational thing, the last one resents the newsest, and vice versa but the older ones fnd it easier to affirm the younger ones etc.

And then the post emerging churches will find the emerging churches hard to stomach...it&#039;s an inevitable progression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt:  I think your right in many ways Matt.  It is a generational thing, the last one resents the newsest, and vice versa but the older ones fnd it easier to affirm the younger ones etc.</p>
<p>And then the post emerging churches will find the emerging churches hard to stomach&#8230;it&#8217;s an inevitable progression.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jun 2006 06:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul:  Botton groups are the latest forms of church, that are emerging, outside the established churches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul:  Botton groups are the latest forms of church, that are emerging, outside the established churches.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any speculations on what might come next?

I recall a quote from someone (either H.L. Mencken or Ogden Nash) that grandparents and grandchildren get along so well because they share a common enemy.

While the analogy of enmity doesn&#039;t stand up here (at least I hope not), it is helpful in understanding what seems to be a growing Christian fraternity between institutions like Roman Catholicism and the Emergent Church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any speculations on what might come next?</p>
<p>I recall a quote from someone (either H.L. Mencken or Ogden Nash) that grandparents and grandchildren get along so well because they share a common enemy.</p>
<p>While the analogy of enmity doesn&#8217;t stand up here (at least I hope not), it is helpful in understanding what seems to be a growing Christian fraternity between institutions like Roman Catholicism and the Emergent Church.</p>
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