Comments on: Best working definition of a church http://jasonclark.ws/feeder/?FeederAction=clicked&feed=Articles+%28RSS2%29&seed=http%3A%2F%2Fjasonclark.ws%2F2006%2F02%2F21%2Fbest_working_de%2F&seed_title=Best+working+definition+of+a%26%23160%3Bchurch Trying to make safe spaces for diverse and healthy conversations about church. Sun, 20 Dec 2009 13:00:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: tas http://jasonclark.ws/feeder/?FeederAction=clicked&feed=Articles+%28RSS2%29&seed=http%3A%2F%2Fjasonclark.ws%2F2006%2F02%2F21%2Fbest_working_de%2F&seed_title=Best+working+definition+of+a%26%23160%3Bchurch/comment-page-1/#comment-1966 tas Tue, 07 Mar 2006 09:34:50 +0000 http://nicola.textdrive.com/~jasonclark/2006/02/21/best_working_de/#comment-1966 Interesting you're flagging up Renovare Jason, I'm part of Christian community based in a cafe-bar and we are using it for our discipleship process. we changed the wording a bit, but essentially the same idea. Its a very freeing path to follow. Having been in an 'open' small group structure for years, our 'spiritual formation' groups are a life-saver, a real place of honesty and soul friendship. There have been critisisms though, that they are exclusive groups, and to some extent they are (to fellow Christians at least, who are not one with the vision) but it has allowed us total freedom to invest in the unchurched relationships we have, with the hope of introducing them into this 'way of life'. It is a great way to be 'IN the world but not OF it'. I would be interested to hear your views on the perceived 'exclusivity' of this model, as it is very different to traditional vineyard small groups, especially as I have recently moved on from a vineyard church myself (after ten years), and the leadership there didn't seem to get/seemed scared of anything 'emerging'? You seem to do a good job of holding the 'emerging' and 'vineyard' tags together? How do your fellow vineyarders feel about your role in the 'emerging' conversation? Interesting you’re flagging up Renovare Jason, I’m part of Christian community based in a cafe-bar and we are using it for our discipleship process. we changed the wording a bit, but essentially the same idea. Its a very freeing path to follow. Having been in an ‘open’ small group structure for years, our ’spiritual formation’ groups are a life-saver, a real place of honesty and soul friendship. There have been critisisms though, that they are exclusive groups, and to some extent they are (to fellow Christians at least, who are not one with the vision) but it has allowed us total freedom to invest in the unchurched relationships we have, with the hope of introducing them into this ‘way of life’. It is a great way to be ‘IN the world but not OF it’.
I would be interested to hear your views on the perceived ‘exclusivity’ of this model, as it is very different to traditional vineyard small groups, especially as I have recently moved on from a vineyard church myself (after ten years), and the leadership there didn’t seem to get/seemed scared of anything ‘emerging’?
You seem to do a good job of holding the ‘emerging’ and ‘vineyard’ tags together? How do your fellow vineyarders feel about your role in the ‘emerging’ conversation?

]]> By: Chad Farrand http://jasonclark.ws/feeder/?FeederAction=clicked&feed=Articles+%28RSS2%29&seed=http%3A%2F%2Fjasonclark.ws%2F2006%2F02%2F21%2Fbest_working_de%2F&seed_title=Best+working+definition+of+a%26%23160%3Bchurch/comment-page-1/#comment-1965 Chad Farrand Wed, 22 Feb 2006 03:14:55 +0000 http://nicola.textdrive.com/~jasonclark/2006/02/21/best_working_de/#comment-1965 Hey, my mentor is a Quaker who's involved with Renovare. It has been such a blessing to me. Rich and beautiful stuff man. peace Hey, my mentor is a Quaker who’s involved with Renovare. It has been such a blessing to me. Rich and beautiful stuff man.

peace

]]> By: Tom Allen http://jasonclark.ws/feeder/?FeederAction=clicked&feed=Articles+%28RSS2%29&seed=http%3A%2F%2Fjasonclark.ws%2F2006%2F02%2F21%2Fbest_working_de%2F&seed_title=Best+working+definition+of+a%26%23160%3Bchurch/comment-page-1/#comment-1964 Tom Allen Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:54:07 +0000 http://nicola.textdrive.com/~jasonclark/2006/02/21/best_working_de/#comment-1964 We are begining to use Renovare principles in our Church - what particularly appeals in a broadbased inclusive Church is that it acknowledges what individuals find important- and then challenges them to see the weaknesses of each tradition and the strength of others. The spiritual growth groups idea is particularly valued by introverts who don't relate to home groups etc. A wonderful combination of the visionary and the practical We are begining to use Renovare principles in our Church – what particularly appeals in a broadbased inclusive Church is that it acknowledges what individuals find important- and then challenges them to see the weaknesses of each tradition and the strength of others. The spiritual growth groups idea is particularly valued by introverts who don’t relate to home groups etc. A wonderful combination of the visionary and the practical

]]> By: rick http://jasonclark.ws/feeder/?FeederAction=clicked&feed=Articles+%28RSS2%29&seed=http%3A%2F%2Fjasonclark.ws%2F2006%2F02%2F21%2Fbest_working_de%2F&seed_title=Best+working+definition+of+a%26%23160%3Bchurch/comment-page-1/#comment-1963 rick Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:30:35 +0000 http://nicola.textdrive.com/~jasonclark/2006/02/21/best_working_de/#comment-1963 I discovered Renovare about six years ago. I too think that it is one of the best "models" I have found out there. Truly great "stuff". Foster has done a wonderful jog o incorporating and condensing all the pieces into something that is digestable and cohert. I discovered Renovare about six years ago. I too think that it is one of the best “models” I have found out there. Truly great “stuff”. Foster has done a wonderful jog o incorporating and condensing all the pieces into something that is digestable and cohert.

]]> By: marc http://jasonclark.ws/feeder/?FeederAction=clicked&feed=Articles+%28RSS2%29&seed=http%3A%2F%2Fjasonclark.ws%2F2006%2F02%2F21%2Fbest_working_de%2F&seed_title=Best+working+definition+of+a%26%23160%3Bchurch/comment-page-1/#comment-1962 marc Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:07:01 +0000 http://nicola.textdrive.com/~jasonclark/2006/02/21/best_working_de/#comment-1962 Like it, like it very much! Like it, like it very much!

]]> By: Makeesha http://jasonclark.ws/feeder/?FeederAction=clicked&feed=Articles+%28RSS2%29&seed=http%3A%2F%2Fjasonclark.ws%2F2006%2F02%2F21%2Fbest_working_de%2F&seed_title=Best+working+definition+of+a%26%23160%3Bchurch/comment-page-1/#comment-1961 Makeesha Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:57:02 +0000 http://nicola.textdrive.com/~jasonclark/2006/02/21/best_working_de/#comment-1961 That is really good. That is really good.

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